Vatican: Templar apology considered

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www.timesonline.co.uk/article...,00.html

The last crusade of the Templars
By Ruth Gledhill
The knights want a Papal apology nearly 700 years after they were disbanded and hounded into exile



THE VATICAN is giving “serious consideration” to apologising for the persecution that led to the suppression of the Knights Templar.
The suppression, which began on Friday , October 13, 1307, gave Friday the Thirteenth its superstitious legacy.



A Templar Order in Britain that claims to be descended from the original Knights Templar has asked that the Pope should make the apology.

The Templars, based in Hertford, are hoping for an apology by 2007, the 700th anniversary of the start of the persecution, which culminated with the torture and burning at the stake of the Grand Master Jacques de Molay for heresy and the dissolution of the Order by apostolic decree in 1312.

The letter, signed by the Secretary of the Council of Chaplains on behalf of the Grand Master of the Poor Fellow Soldiers of Jesus Christ and the Temple of Solomon Grand Preceptory, with a PO box address in Hertford, formally requests an apology “for the torture and murder of our leadership”, instigated by Pope Clement V.

“We shall witness the 700th anniversary of the persecution of our order on 13th October 2007,” the letter says. “It would be just and fitting for the Vatican to acknowledge our grievance in advance of this day of mourning.”

Apologies have already been made by the Roman Catholic Church for the persecution of Galileo and for the Crusades. The Templars hope that these precedents will make their suit more likely to succeed.

Hertford Templar Tim Acheson, who is descended from the Scottish Acheson family that has established Templar links and whose family lived until recently in Bailey Hall, Hertford, said: “This letter is a serious attempt by a Templar group which traces its roots back to the medieval Order to solicit an apology from the Papacy.”

He added: “The Papacy and the Kingdom of France conspired to destroy the Order for reasons which modern historians judge to be primarily political. Their methods and motives are now universally regarded as brutal, unfair and unjustified.

“The Knights Templar officially ceased to exist in the early 1300s, but the order continued underground. It was a huge organisation and the vast majority of Templars survived the persecution, including most of their leaders, along with much of their treasure and, most importantly, their original values and traditions.”

The Hertford Mercury newspaper has reported newly discovered Templar links with Hertford, including a warren of tunnels beneath the town. At the heart of the maze of tunnels is Hertford Castle, where in 1309 four Templars from Temple Dinsley near Hitchin were imprisoned after their arrest by Edward II, who believed that they were holding a lost treasure. The treasure was never found.

When Subterranea Britannica, a group of amateur archaeologists, expressed an interest in investigating Hertford’s tunnels last month, they received anonymous threats telling them not to.

The Templars captured Jerusalem during the Crusades and were known as “keepers of the Holy Grail”, said to be the cup used at the Last Supper or as the receptacle used by Joseph of Arimathea to catch Christ’s blood as he bled on the Cross, or both.

Interest in the Templars and the Holy Grail is at an unprecedented high after the success of books such as The Da Vinci Code, by Dan Brown, and the earlier Holy Blood Holy Grail, by Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh and Henry Lincoln, which claimed that Jesus survived the crucifixion and settled in France.

The Knights Templar were founded by Hugh de Payens, a French knight from the Champagne area of Burgundy, and eight companions in 1118 during the reign of Baldwin II of Jerusalem, when they took a perpetual vow to defend the Christian kingdom. They were assigned quarters next to the Temple. In 1128, they took up the white habit of the Cistercians, adding a red cross. The order knights, sergeants, farmers and chaplains amassed enormous wealth.

In Rome, a Vatican spokesman said that the demand for an apology would be given “serious consideration”. However, Vatican insiders said that the Pope, 84, was under pressure from conservative cardinals to “stop saying sorry” for the errors of the past, after a series of papal apologies for the Crusades, the Inquisition, Christian anti-Semitism and the persecution of scientists and “heretics” such as Galileo.

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    Templars: then & now

    Wed, January 5, 2005 - 2:57 PM
    www.guardian.co.uk/religion...9,00.html

    Hertford, home of the Holy Grail

    An ancient secret society; a demand for a papal apology; and a network of hidden tunnels. Strange things have been stirring in Hertfordshire recently. Oliver Burkeman goes in search of the Knights Templar and, perhaps, the cup of Christ

    Tuesday January 4, 2005
    The Guardian

    One of the problems with secret societies - especially the kind whose members exert a shadowy influence on the course of world events - is that they can be a bit difficult to track down. Never was this more true than of the Knights Templar, the ancient Catholic order rumoured, among other things, to know the whereabouts of the Holy Grail. Officially, the Templars don't exist, having been driven underground by the pope more than 600 years ago; in The Da Vinci Code, they are described as inhabiting "a precarious world where fact, lore and misinformation had become so intertwined that extracting a pristine truth was almost impossible". Nobody even seems to agree on what the Holy Grail is: some say it is the cup used by Jesus at the Last Supper; others that it was used to collect his blood at the crucifixion. Needless to say, the Templars haven't been too eager to clarify any of this publicly.
    Then, late last year, the group apparently made an unprecedented communication with the outside world. It emerged that the Templars were demanding an official apology from the Vatican, for having persecuted them in the 14th century - and that the Vatican was giving "serious consideration" to the matter. The demand came in a letter, signed on behalf of the grand master of the Templars. And for the conspiracy theorists who have pursued the knights for centuries, it was accompanied by a tantalising clue: an address. In Hertford.

    If there is something implausible in the idea that huge stretches of world history have been secretly coordinated from a market town just north of the M25 - well, maybe that's what they want you to think. The local newspaper, the Hertfordshire Mercury, certainly seems convinced: over the past few months it has published several intriguing stories quoting local Templars, who told its reporter of a secret network of tunnels under the town that was still in use by the order. "It reaches beyond well known central Hertford locations," one Templar said, "including the tourist office, the castle, Monsoon, Threshers, the post office, Bayley Hall, and the council offices." Treasures of "immense importance" were hidden there, it was claimed. Was the quest for the Holy Grail finally about to come to an end? More surprisingly still, was it about to come to an end underneath Monsoon on Market Place?

    The man who has persuaded the Vatican to consider apologising, Tim Acheson, meets the Guardian in icy morning fog in Hertford, wearing smart pinstriped trousers and a thick winter overcoat. His midnight-blue sports car is parked nearby. "As you might expect," he says, setting the tone for the day, "there are going to be some things that I'm not able to discuss."

    Acheson claims to trace his ancestry to a renowned Scottish Templar family of the same name, though he won't confirm his own role in the group. Might he just be a practical joker who managed to fool the Vatican? "That could well be, couldn't it?" he says, as we order coffee in a Hertford establishment closely modelled on All Bar One. "I can't tell you anything to prove that I'm not. I think that would be a perfectly reasonable theory."

    There is, however, sound historical footing for the idea that a Vatican apology might be warranted. The Templars were victims of their own success: they had been granted the right to operate, during the era of the Crusades, with unprecedented freedom, levying taxes and growing rich by establishing some of Europe's first banks. (According to legend, they also invented the biscuit.) Envy and hostility ran high, until, on Friday, October 13 1307 - the original unlucky Friday the 13th - hundreds of Templars were arrested in France. They stood accused of homosexuality, of devil worship, of crimes "horrible to contemplate, terrible to hear of", in the words of King Philip of France, who ordered the arrests. They were tortured, by the Inquisition, into admitting heresy, including their scandalous belief that Jesus had had children with Mary Magdalene. Their grand master, Jacques de Molay, was burned at the stake a few years later, and the Templars were officially disbanded by the Pope.

    But only officially. "The vast majority of Templars either escaped, or didn't escape, but survived," Acheson says. So how did they end up in Hertford? History records that a number of them were imprisoned in Hertford Castle, but how did Hertford become a centre of operations? "I can't really tell you that. All I can tell you - it's going to be quite vague - is that they flourished in western Europe." He explains that there is a stained-glass window in St Andrew's Church, just down the street, that contains a clear metaphorical allusion to the Holy Grail, and a cryptic hint that it might be hidden in Hertford. In the picture, Acheson adds, Jesus and Mary Magdalene are looking at each other "in a very meaningful way". (Later, I find the window, interrupting local parishioners who are decorating the church for Christmas. I think I can see what Acheson means about Jesus's expression, although mainly he just looks a bit depressed.)

    Among the many things that don't quite add up about the Templars' request for an apology is: why now? Why break the silence, drawing all manner of unwanted curiosity from Grail hunters and Da Vinci Code tourists? Public accountability is a laudable goal, but it's hardly something you expect from the secret rulers of the universe. Indeed, when a group of amateur archaeologists recently announced their intention to investigate Hertford's tunnel network, someone posted a message on a local website warning that anyone who tried would be "dealt with". The message read: "Anybody intending to find out more, let alone discover hidden areas of the labyrinth, should check their life insurance policy very carefully indeed."

    Acheson simply says he thinks it would be fitting for the Vatican to issue their apology in time for 2007, the 700th anniversary of the start of the Templar suppression. "Among my peers, there are people like me who believe that these issues deserve further attention ... There's a new generation coming through that strongly believes it's time to be a bit more open. I'm part of that generation." Besides, he says ominously, "Things are about to happen that will deserve attention."

    The notion that "things are about to happen" recurs throughout the Templar conspiracy theories that clog up the internet. Seemingly, 2000 had been awaited as a watershed, the moment the Templars' secret knowledge would cascade into the public domain. It didn't happen, of course.

    So what sort of "things" is Acheson talking about?

    "I can't tell you."

    OK. But could you maybe give me a rough idea of the timescale? Are these things going to happen this year? This decade? Next century? "I honestly can't tell you. I know it sounds ridiculous, but I can't tell you."

    Acheson takes me on a walking tour of Hertford, and proves a knowledgeable guide, but a frustratingly cryptic one, too. So I decide to take matters into my own hands and head for Monsoon. Gemma, the manager, responds far more patiently to Grail-related inquiries than might arguably be her prerogative. There's no tunnel beneath the shop, she insists, "just the store room" - but it's "definitely haunted. When we have sales meetings there you can hear someone walking over our heads, or doing the vacuuming. But upstairs, the shop's closed and empty."

    Has she ever found anything unexpected down there? Like maybe a cup, or something? "No," she says. "But there is ... the Accessorize cupboard." She leads the way through the store to the adjoining branch of Accessorize, pushing past a display stand of silky hats towards a corner cupboard. Opening it, she points to a square piece of metal resembling a manhole cover, sunk into the floor. "We don't know what's under there. But there's a strange smell." She enlists a colleague, Jo, who has worked there longer. "Have they ever looked underneath there?" Gemma asks.

    "Yes," Jo replies. It would be atmospheric to be able to report, at this point, that her eyes open wide with terror, that she starts to tremble. But she doesn't. "It smelt a lot," is all she can remember.

    Generally, in fact, the people of Hertford seem rather reticent on the subject of the Grail. Do they know something they're not telling? Eventually there seems nothing for it but to abandon any attempt at subtlety and ask Acheson directly.

    "Tim," I say, as we walk through the fog back to his car, "do you know where the Holy Grail is?"

    We stop at the kerbside to let an articulated lorry pull out. Then we cross the road, past a Mazda dealership, towards the car park.

    "No," Acheson says after a while, with a thoughtful expression. "No, I'm afraid I don't."
  • Re: Vatican: Templar apology considered

    Fri, January 7, 2005 - 8:26 AM
    It doesn't say anything about them LOOTING the Temple Mount of rare religious artifacts and the treasure they stole either. It was the King of France, Philipe the Fair, who was pulling the strings of the puppet pope Clement V. Perhaps France should apologized first ! That country btw has banned "secret societies" ! The Templars needed to be put down anyways, they grew too powerful and arrogant for their own good. The added hypocrisy of worshiping Baphomet and at the same time claiming to be the knights of christiandom is pretty lame IMO. The present Pope will most likely die this year.
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      Re: Vatican: Templar apology considered

      Mon, January 10, 2005 - 12:14 PM
      The Baphomet allegation was supposed to be entirely fabricated- the actual heresy that they [Vatican] were really concerned about, according to some, was contact with Sufis and other strange Ismaili sects, which was leading to a sort of proto-Unitarian mindset (God is God is God, regardless of the name).

      But then I wasn't there, so who can say? Pilsbury, nothing personal- but you almost sound like [say it ain't so!] a papal apologist, man!
      • Re: Vatican: Templar apology considered

        Mon, January 10, 2005 - 9:03 PM
        Insulting me is hardly appropriate.
        • Re: Vatican: Templar apology considered

          Wed, May 18, 2005 - 7:14 PM
          It's interesting to point out that the only places the Templars were convicted were places that were directly controlled by the Pope, or the actual brains behind the scheme, Philip the Fair, In all the other areas that tyhe Templars were tried, they were fully exonerated. Not because they were owed money, but because they were innocent. After all, their leadership was in shambles, their notes cancelled,etc. If someone is guilty,and had nothing to hold over your head, why find them innocent? The Templars needed to be brought down? And tortured?And burned alive? I can't think of anyone that deserves that!!!
  • Re: Vatican: Templar apology considered

    Tue, January 11, 2005 - 2:35 PM
    You know, I don't really care about an apology so much as I would just like them to admit all the facts and everything they are culpable for, all that was done and why it was done. I don't want them to point fingers at their allies in their transgressions. I want every action itemized for historical accuracy so that such a thing does not happen again. I happen to be a witch and Pagan, and everytime I see something in the news about the Vatican apologizing for the Inquisition or Salem or some other place apologizing for the persecution, I just want to ask why? The people your dead ancestors butchered are dead, there's no point in an apology. Just get your facts straight. Make them a matter of public record and scrutiny and stop prancing around the issue of guilt. I mean, I don't hold anyone today responsible for what happened to people hundreds of years ago, so any apology for actions that occured that long ago seem pretty insincere to me. I don't want apologies. Actions speak louder than words.
    • Re: Vatican: Templar apology considered

      Tue, January 11, 2005 - 2:41 PM
      I hold the vatican accountable for the atrocities their priests are committing to this day and their failure to do much more than shuffle pedophiles around to new parishes for fresh meat.
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        Re: Vatican: Templar apology considered

        Tue, January 11, 2005 - 4:14 PM
        Good points, both: apologism is after-the-fact and changes little if anything.

        The fact is tho that the legacies of some of these policies still do have effects that resonate to this day, and the Templar purge was minor compared with many other things we still live with- like pedophile priests or being opposed to birth control. And ultimately, most apologies like this are nothing more than token concessions that allow them to continue making ethically spurious decisions- like canonizing those who enslaved & murdered indigenous peoples, etc.

        I recall reading somewhere about a prototype mechanical device (possibly an astronomical clock, called the Antikythera mechanism ) invented by the Greeks and found in a shipwreck dating from the first century BC. One thinker is quoted as saying that if the Church hadn't suppressed Archimedean math & science in the Dark Ages and beyond as they did, that we'd probably have already reached the stars by now. While that may or may not be entirely accurate, there are plenty of obvious places we've been set back developmentally by the Holy Roman Empire...
        • Re: Vatican: Templar apology considered

          Tue, January 11, 2005 - 4:25 PM
          that's funny, I just saw a history channel special on that... but shortly afterwards I saw one that was so full of misinformation that it makes me highly doubt that channel's documentary integrity.
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            Re: Vatican: Templar apology considered

            Tue, January 11, 2005 - 4:38 PM
            Yeah- it's sad that despite the potential TV can make a mockery out of anything. As much as I love watchin' History Channel at friends' houses ("Hitler's Brain! Hitler's Secret Weapons! Hitler's Gonads!"), there's always some stuff to make you cringe.
        • Re: Vatican: Templar apology considered

          Thu, January 13, 2005 - 8:59 PM
          See now I agree with that. Apology for something current would hopefully get things changed. Personally I think if a celebate priest can't control his urges, there's only one alternative (if you get my meaning). And anyone who hurts a child, priest or otherwise, should be have a little bodily modification so it doesn't happen again, ever.

          My point is that these things happened centuries ago. What good is an apology going to do anyone? Now if they were apologizing for encouraging the spread of STDs and AIDS through their denigration of condoms in "third world countries" like Africa... or apologizing for allowing nuns to be used as prostitutes by priests... etc etc.

          Let them apologize for current atrocities. The Dead can take care of themselves.
          • Re: Vatican: Templar apology considered

            Thu, January 13, 2005 - 9:03 PM
            >>Personally I think if a celebate priest can't control his urges, there's only one alternative (if you get my meaning)

            Immolation?
            • Re: Vatican: Templar apology considered

              Thu, January 13, 2005 - 9:23 PM
              heh, that'd be the most humane choice, but I was speaking of a medical procedure most terrifying to men (unless they are eager to undergo transgender surgery).
              • But with all that we could say against the Catholic Church, old JP's not so bad.

                Rabbis thank pope for defense of Jews
                By The Associated Press

                VATICAN CITY - A delegation of prominent rabbis, cantors and Jewish leaders from around the world met with Pope John Paul II yesterday to thank him for what they hailed as a lifetime of special commitment in defense of Jews.

                Recalling the pope's 1979 visit to Auschwitz during his first visit to his Polish homeland after being elected pontiff, Gary Krupp, from the Pave the Way Foundation, praised John Paul for setting a "tone of reconciliation" in his papacy.

                "You have defended Jewish people at every opportunity, as a priest in Poland and during your 26-year-old pontificate," Krupp said. "You have denounced anti-Semitism as sin against God and humanity."

                Krupp's foundation works to better relations between the religious groups.

                John Paul thanked Krupp, who is from Long Beach, New York, and then urged Catholics and Jews to further improve relations. Only decades ago the two groups were still divided by centuries of Christian thinking that Jews killed Jesus.

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